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-NE GMAT SHAM. !DEBATE +===== The Great Snake Debate. ===== 
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 by Ainslie Morris. by Ainslie Morris.
-Dr. Doug Wheen, bushwalker and active member of the Search and Rescue team. gave an excellent talk on Bush First Aid to a very well-attended meeting on 26th February. By inviting the audience to answer his questions + 
-it was able to boast a good deal of shared knowledge. It is up to each individual to be sure he or she knows all of the first aid information. +Dr. Doug Wheen, bushwalker and active member of the Search and Rescue team, gave an excellent talk on Bush First Aid to a very well-attended meeting on 26th February. By inviting the audience to answer his questions it was able to boast a good deal of shared knowledge. It is up to each individual to be sure he or she knows __all__ of the first aid information. 
-A question on snake bite and its treatment was asked, with reference to the statement in the February magasine (Now What? page 15) that the venom should not be washed off. + 
-Dr. Wheen gave an opinion that it should be washed off if water is readily available. As this opinion contradicts the St. Jam Ambulance book's advice, and as some people think that St. John Ambulance's advice and courses are not applicable to bushwalkers, a debate seemed to be emerging. +A question on snake bite and its treatment was asked, with reference to the statement in the February magazine (Now What? page 15) that the venom should not be washed off. 
-The St. John Ambulance book and course are on First Aid, meaning that it is assumed that you are in the bush, at the beach, on the road, and far from immediate expert medical help. YOU become the FIRST medical helper, so + 
-you'd better get your facts straight and not rely on "common sense" (so often +Dr. Wheen gave an opinion that it should be washed off if water is readily available. As this opinion contradicts the St. John Ambulance book's advice, and as some people think that St. John Ambulance's advice and courses are not applicable to bushwalkers, a debate seemed to be emerging. 
-common nonsence") in a life=threatening situation. Such as venomous snake- + 
-bite or spider-bite! +The St. John Ambulance book and course are on __First Aid__, meaning that it is assumed that you are in the bush, at the beach, on the road, and far from immediate expert medical help. YOU become the FIRST medical helper, so you'd better get your facts straight and not rely on "common sense" (so often "common __non__sence") in a life-threatening situation. Such as venomous snake-bite or spider-bite! 
-The Reptile Department of Taronga Zoo, Sydney, was contacted by the writer, and an expert on snakes told me to LEAVE THE VENOM ON!+ 
 +The Reptile Department of Taronga Zoo, Sydney, was contacted by the writer, and an expert on snakes told me to __leave the venom on__! 
 Why? Why?
-1. It will not do any harm. + 
 +__1. It will not do any harm.__ 
 Most of the venom is in already. If you are a real expert on snake identification and are certain it is a brown snake - which can look like a harmless tree snake or a venomous tiger snake - then the puncture is shallow and you can wash it off - or leave it on, because you're not an expert, are you? Most of the venom is in already. If you are a real expert on snake identification and are certain it is a brown snake - which can look like a harmless tree snake or a venomous tiger snake - then the puncture is shallow and you can wash it off - or leave it on, because you're not an expert, are you?
-2. It will crystallize and detoxify in about 10 minutes - maybe 5 minutes, up to 30 minutes. So it becomes harmless, no matter how long it is left on. + 
-3. At the hospital, even days later, the crystals (like sugar) can be +__2. It will crystallize and detoxify__ in about 10 minutes - maybe 5 minutes, up to 30 minutes. So it becomes harmless, no matter how long it is left on. 
-scraped off and the sample tested for a specific antivenene (or antivenin). This is more effective than a polyvenene. + 
-THE MOST UP-TO-DATE TREATMENT, the expert said, was to apply a pressure bandage quickly to the bitten area. Then tie firmly your crepe bandages to the the limb from the armpit or groin down. This would push the lymph which carries the venom DOWNWARDS. (Note that the St. John book 1985 says to bind +__3. At the hospital__, even days later, the crystals (like sugar) can be scraped off and the sample tested for a specific antivenene (or antivenin). This is more effective than a polyvenene. 
-from the bite down to the extremities and then up to the armpit or groin.) Keep the limb down. Splint to prevent muscle movement which would push the lymph up.+ 
 +__The most up-to-date treatment__, the expert said, was to apply a pressure bandage quickly to the bitten area. Then tie firmly your crepe bandages to the the limb __from the armpit or groin down__. This would push the lymph which carries the venom downwards. (Note that the St. John book 1985 says to bind from the bite down to the extremities and then __up__ to the armpit or groin.) Keep the limb down. Splint to prevent muscle movement which would push the lymph up. 
 Do NOT remove the bandaging or loosen it, even over days, as this could cause death. It will be removed at the hospital when suitable treatment is available. Do NOT remove the bandaging or loosen it, even over days, as this could cause death. It will be removed at the hospital when suitable treatment is available.
-VERY SUDDEN ONSET OF SYMPTOMS IS A FEATURE: Be ready for collapse of breathing, which could occur 5 minutes to half hour after the bite; individuals vary. The bite is VERY PAINFUL, and shock is to be expected. (It + 
-sounded like our expert had had first-hand experience! He said great care is taken at the Zoo NOT to be bitten, as the bite leaves a scar, and the nervous system is damaged). +__Very sudden onset of symptoms is a feature__: Be ready for collapse of breathing, which could occur 5 minutes to half hour after the bite; individuals vary. The bite is __very painful__, and shock is to be expected. (It sounded like our expert had had first-hand experience! He said great care is taken at the Zoo NOT to be bitten, as the bite leaves a scar, and the nervous system is damaged). 
-REPLIES in the great Snake Debate are welcome; please write to the Editor. (See Footnote - next page) + 
-BARBARA BRUCE has booked on this trip. She would like to have an S.B.W. group. PHONE HER! !. 546 -6570. (H) +Replies in the great Snake Debate are welcome; please write to the Editor. (See Footnote - next page) 
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-0  1-'  +A check was also made with The Australian Museum, which referred me to a pamphlet "First Aid for Snake Bite in Australia" by Dr. S.K. Sutherland, published by the Commonwealth Serum Laborities, 3rd Revision, 1985. He advises to leve the venom on. 
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- CD la CD C+ +=== Attention!! Walks Wanted!! === 
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-H c+  Cr 0 +For Winter Walks Programme - contact Carol Bruce 221 2855 (at work) no later than 1st May!! 
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- F.' 0" II CD  +=== Fiji Adventure Bushwalking Tour. ==== 
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-cF P c+  +Barbara Bruce has booked on this trip. She would like to have an S.B.W. group. Phone her!!. 546 6570. (H) 
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- CD 0 1-1 +Great news! We have been given official permission by Ilai Naibosi and his family to prepare a package for the Bushwalking Tours he has been organising through the Fijian interior for the past 15 years. Each night on the trek is spent in a different, remote village, with the tour group eating and sleeping the way the villagers do and gaining direct experience of the village way of life. The trek is not of a particularly difficult standard with approximately 40 kilometres covered in the six days with horses carrying the gear. This should not discourage those energetic, for there are plenty of ways to exert yourself in the Fijian bush. A typical day will include two 2 hour stages of walking in between meals, each at a different village. Along the way there are streams and rivers to cool off in and nights will be spent enjoying Fijian hospitality and entertainment. At the end of the walk there is a two day stay in Suva, Fiji's capital and an optional extension to one of Fiji's famous Island Resorts. 
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-'-d c+ 5 fa. CD +A package has been prepared including economy return airfares, accommodation with air conditioning and private facilities in Nadi and Suva, shared accommodation on tapa mat floors in thatched huts in villages, all meals during walk from lunch Sunday to lunch Saturday, all airport transfers where required and bus transfer from Suva to Nadi. All this costs: from $875 ex Sydney, from $895 ex Brisbane, from $975 ex Melbourne. 
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-so please send full details +
-SO please keep us on the mailing list. so we can plan ahead. +
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-Roger Wettings or Matthew Giasheen +
-1ST FLOOR, 10. MARTIN PLACE (And cr ends Mc -/Ae nem+  SYDNEY NSW 2000 AUSTRALIA 4-re.i.c clerar +
-TELEPHONE: (02) 232 7244 +
-TELEX : AA24630 Jo 1(4 +
-GREAT NEWS! We have been' given official permission byllai Naibosi and his family to prepare a package for the Bushwalking Tours he has been organising through the Fijian interior for the past 15 years. Each night on the trek is spent in a different, remote village, with the tour group eating and sleeping the way the villagers do and gaining direct experience of the village way of life. The trek is not of a particularly difficult standard with approximately 40 kilometres covered in the six days with horses carrying the gear. This should not discourage those energetic, for there are plenty of ways to exert yourself in the Fijian bush. A typical day will include two 2 hour stages of walking in between meals, each at a different village. Along the way there are streams and rivers to cool off in and nights will be spent enjoying Fijian hospitality and entertainment. At the end of the walk there is a two day stay in Suva, Fiji's capital and an optional extension to one of Fiji's famous Island Resorts. +
-A package has been prepared including economy return airfares, accommodation with air conditioning and private facilities in Nadi and Suva, shared accommodation on tapa mat floors in thatched huts in villages, all meals during walk from lunch Sunday to lunch Saturday, all airport transfers where required and bus transfer from Suva +
- to Nadi. All this costs: No poisonous snakes or spiders! +
-from $875 from $895 from $975 +
- ex Sydney ex Brisbane ex Melbourne+
 Departures are available from Sydney, Brisbane or Melbourne and the tour is available at any time of the year for a group of minimum 5 and up to approximately 30. Departures are available from Sydney, Brisbane or Melbourne and the tour is available at any time of the year for a group of minimum 5 and up to approximately 30.
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-  5 0" P  +For more details ring or send this form to: 
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- Lri 0 Cl) Cr +[ ] We feel we are not able to travel in 1986 but would be interested in 1987 so please keep us on the mailing list. 
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-   130 CF +[ ] We are very interested in the 1986 tour so please send full details so we can plan ahead. 
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-PCD (7)  c+ CD  +Your First Name:.... Surname:.... 
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-CD   P CD +Phone: Home: ( ).... Work: ( ).... 
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-   ES +Sportswell Tours\\ 
- Co  I-' +Roger Wettings or Matthew Giasheen\\ 
-   CD +1st floor, 10 Martin Place\\ 
-cr   CO +Sydney NSW 2000 Australia\\ 
-   CD 0 +Telephone: (02) 232 7244. Telex: AA24630. 
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-(1) +Note. A $50 discount is available for club members and friends off the next trek - departing Sydney June 14. 
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-FOR MORE DETAILS RING OR SEND THIS FORM TO +=== Eastwood Camping Centre. === 
-0 We feel we are not able to travel in 1986 but would be interested in 1987 + 
-11 We are very interested in the 1986 tour +__Bushwalkers__. 
-Your First Name:     Surname:   + 
-Your Club:   +Lightweight Tents - Sleeping Bags - Rucksacks - Climbing & Caving Gear - Maps - Clothing - Boots - Food. 
-Address:    Postcode, ... + 
-Phone: Home: ( )   Work: ( )   +__Camping equipment__. 
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-I BUSHWALKERS +Large Tents - Stoves - Lamps - Folding Furniture. 
-ILightweight Tents  Sleeping Bags  Rucksacks  Climbing & Caving Gear  Maps  Clothing  Boots  Food. + 
-DISTRIBUTORS OF: +__Distributors of__: 
-Paddymade  Karrimor  Berghaus  Hallmark  Bergans  Caribee  Fairydown  Silva  Primus  Companion  and all leading brands. + 
-ICAMPING EQUIPMENT Large Tents  Stoves  Lamps-  Folding Furniture. +Paddymade - Karrimor - Berghaus - Hallmark - Bergans - Caribee - Fairydown - Silva - Primus - Companion - and all leading brands. 
-Proprietors: Jack Et Nancy Fox L., Sales Manager: David Fox + 
-EASTWOOD CANVAS GOODS & CAMPING SUPPLIES 3 Trelawney St Eastwood NSW 2122 Phone: 858 2775 +Proprietors: Jack & Nancy Fox. Sales Manager: David Fox. 
-Rutledge Street + 
-April, 1986 THE SYDNEY BUSHWALKER Page 13+Eastwood Canvas Good & Camping Supplies. 
 + 
 +3 Trelawney St., Eastwood, NSW, 2122. Phone 858 2775. 
 + 
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 REUNION 1986.  REUNION 1986. 
 by Helen Gray. by Helen Gray.
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