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======THE SYDNEY BUSHWALKER======
A monthly Bulletin of matters of interest to the Sydney Bushwalkers, C/- Ingersoll Hall, 256 Crown St., Sydney.

No. 178\\
SEPTEMBER, 1949\\
Price 6d\\

Editor: Alex Colley, 55 Kirribilli 
Production Asst: Bill Gillam Ave., Milson's Point.	
Sales and Subs: Helen Brooks
Production and Business Manager: Brian Harvey
Typed by Jean Harvey 

=====CONTENTS=====
	
| |  Page |
|Editorial - Club Meetings|1|
|At Our August Meeting - reported by Jim Brown|3|
|Annual Conference of the Forestry Advisory Council|5|
|Outdoor FilMs of .Australia .7. Advt.|7|
|Clinton Valley - Photograph by L. Rayner|8|


=====EDITORIAL=====
**Club Meetings**

Every month since th.1; Club began there has been a meeting of members. In the early days many of the members were exrienced speakers well versed in the rules of debate. They were individual-, ists who firmly believed in the practice of free spear-,h and were very erne-It in their task of establishing SydneyTs first mixed recreational walking club. Consequently the debates were often intense, though by no means lacking in humour. Many meetings were spent in deciding the name of the Club and in discussing the constitution. Sometimes things got too serious. On one famous occasion the meeting was divided into the°ayesnon one side of the room and themnoes'' on the othel, in order to satisfy everyone that the count was correct. Then there was the famous hatchet-burying ceremony at a subsequent reunion. Since these early days our meetings have passed through
, many phases according to the leading lights of the time and, in particular, the Club Officers. At their lowest ebb many have wondered why we ever bother with it all. At their best they are full of interesting discussion and sparkling with humour.
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Perhaps it is the long experience of members in the conduct of meetings, or perhaps it is the personalities of the people taking the leading parts, but, let it be said forthwith, you will not find better conducted meetings anywhere. You may find more experienced speakers, or stricter rules Of debate, but you will go far to find more purposeful discussion with less waste •of time.
Members may not realise it, but the ,experience they have in
our meetings is one of the most useful things they find in the S.B.W. Anybody who looks for something better than a vegetable existence is almost certain to find himself attending meetings of some sort - whether it be a sporting.club, a trade union, a scientific society, or any other interest which 'brings people together. A lot of people go right through life afraid to speak in public. Many of the S.B.W. members are in this class, but at least they have a perfect opportunity to learn. For an inexperienced speaker to get up and address a large meeting takes quite a little .;ourage. What he is afraid of above all is ridicule. But any member can get up in an S.B.W. meeting, knowing that he is among friends who will he tiery tolerant towards one who is new to the game. When a pc'rson has made the effort once - got up, said something, sat down again and found himself unscathed - the next effort will be much easier. In making the maiden effort it is a good idea to be sure of the exact
words to start with. Once over this hurdle the rest is usually easy. But it is not necessary to say much - two or three sentences are enough. It is given to few to be able to keep the interest of an audience for long. For the rest it fissbest to be brief rather than
boring,
Among the speakers we have a fairly representative sample of the types of speakers you find at all meetings. There are a few of those rare souls who combine wit and wisdom, some who have a theme song and take advantage of a ready made audience, some who
try us with excessive detail, and a few, unfortunately, who contribute nothing to the debate but merely give long-winded voice to ill- considered opinions.
Sometimes the debate degenerates into repetition of well worn arguments or gets side-trackbd into a mass of unnecessary detail. Must the meeting endure this sort of thing? Must it listen to verbose repetitions? The answer is no. The suffering audience has a battery of protective devices which it can invoke as soon ae it gets bored. It can, at the outset, limit speeches to a certain
periiod - say, five or ten minutes. It can move the "gag, i.e.,
'that the motion be now put". This motion often invokes cries of protest at the "stifling" of ddscussion, but surely it is more democratic to stop a debate at the wish of the meeting than to force everyone to listen to a discussion in which they have no interest. As soon as the speaker gets off the rails anyone can call attention to the words of the motion. Then there are interjections; which are allowed in "Parliamentary Procedure". Very often the Chairman will allow deviations and infringements of the rules if he thinks this falls in with the wishes of the audience. But anyone can insist on a "point of order" and if it is a correct point the Chairman must
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comply. One of the worst offences, and one which is commonest in the most experienced speakers, is that of speaking twice to the same motion. Some laxity might be shown towards the inexperienced in the enforcement of this rule, but there is no excuse for the old hands. The windbag can be stopped at any time - drastic step this, but sometimes justified - by a motion that he 1:)e no longer heard°. Repetition in discussion can be stopped if it can be shown that a previous motion on the books has decided the point at issue.
Unless the meeting uses its powers the Chairman must let everyone speak just as long as they want to so long as there is a motion on the books and the speaker is keeping to the subject. He cannot choose the subject of debate, nor arbitrarily limit the length of speeches. His function is to give effect to the wishes of the majority of the audience. If they suffer in silence he must suffer with them. The real conduct of the meeting Is in the hands of the people present. If they put up with anything they donit like they have only themselves to blame.
AT OUR AUGUST PEET I NG .
Reported by Jim Brown.
The August meeting strongly resembled the July meeting and the burial of Sir John Moore at Cerunna2 all having been held by ulanthorn dimly burning. About 45 members were present, and no new recruits were welcomed.
The minutes having revived the decision to send visitors to the Bushcraft AssociationTs Waterfall camp, Allan Fardie told the meeting that the visit had been arranged for the following day. It was announced that Era had been definitely ascertained as an open space parkland, and the form of objection to ite reclassification as a Rural Area had been withdrawn. In the correspondence was a statement of our views on Era and its preservation, which had been sent to the County of Cumberland Council.
Relating to Era, which speedily became the bone of contention of the August meeting, a letter from Alex Colley was read: Alex, in absentia in the Wolgan hinterland, resolutely said we should not establish any time limit for our negotiations with the Lands Dept. Marie Byles objected strongly to this counsel. She regretted that we had lost our chance - for it seemed certain that we had - of a resumption through National Fitness Council, but a personal appeal to Gordon Young had raised a small hope that National Fitness may stay its hard until after the meeting, and a definite decision to support resumption by the Minister for Education may yet save the day.
Myles Dunphy reported at length on the deputation to the Under Secretary for Lands on 29th July. The meeting had been attended by 20 representatives, including delegates from the Federation and eight
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of the affiliated Walking Clubs. The depttation had. 'pointed out that the approaeh was p continaation of the Garrawarra petitions of sixteen yea-rs ago, a rd that •the objective was resumption of the whole 350 acres of alienated land and ts	tion to, Garawarra
Park. The T_Tndcr Secretary had -hoard them at ,length-, ass:Jr_ ed then of s-,ympathetie atteintion, and stated that their case would be placed
before the Minister.	. . •
As a rider to his report Myles added that he had hoard from FraT-11c Mains or the Rucsap Club, who .was bitterly opposed to resumption in any form	-	that the ,sha("Ic owner,i had not 1een
consulted., , that	fight to hold their tena-nci „ and implied that the Rucoac lub was not committed b7 the staterr-ent.c of Federation delegates to the 'Minister Tor Lands.
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Marie Byles co ntinued the Era 'debate with a hi3tory of the efforts to have the area resumed: she related now the ros=r.tion had been budgetedf or in 1C44, 1945 and 104,,	, each c';1-1 tiThe the ideal had. not been realj:sed. ..About- that date (104c) the Recreal3ional Areas Committee of National Fitnoss ,became inte,rested„ primari,iy with the object of assisting the BuShwalkers,, The Fiede-fation had written to the Minister for Education supporting a reslimption through the Recreational Areas Committee. Marie doubted whether the County Council, or the Lands Dc,parthent, would :be pre7eared to cause hardship to the shack owners, are moved_ that .we write to Gordon Young, advising him_ that our dup:rtation to the Under Secretary for Lands had brought, no coninrete resialtS, and we therefore hoped that he would forgive our vacillating tendenrty, and conti-nue with his project for Era resumption. •
Allan. .Hardie RromPtly gave, hi sup.port. Me was glad, he said, to see Marie Byles. and I'llyles"nanphy prr-,•sont..at he ono time, so that we may hoar both. sides of the-case ii-xcsionted at the one meeting. This vould .raly the acid bath to the .nigger in the WodcThile He now reveled tha,t 11.-a.lional Fitness was • Austreli..:A. s Ssrreb Weapon, devised as a demoeratic answer to the outn 1,. :agl.Les of Hitler:is Germany; this was our way of keeping the young pcol-ilo fit, of
making our cannon fodder tough and r-esil icnt	Iiore, National Fitness was a body - with kindred ideals to Bushwaik(-3rs, and we should Welo orne thi.s chance of„,col-operation with them.
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Paddy Pallin was 'present and lent his' yoiee to the cause. He
was afraid, .hc, -told. us, that the National Fitnezps Coll.ncil had resolved against further consideration of Era, and -so 'uefor.e we abandoned dealing with the Lands r),partment„ we shiould crieo ii-Thether money was available through the Minister for Edilcation. I-4 so, we shoi-ild definitely co-operate with the National ri,mss. If National Fitness were no longer interested, -then we were best_advised, to &ay with our Lands Department 'projent, for the Pe'rrat1ouia	reri Committee would. not sport another Era resumption plan for quite a time.
Myles Dunphy .answered..wit.h. some: doubt; about, the of Era in the hands of National Fitness, arid bbs'er\red.-Hthat,the. control of the area would. be in the har's of that Councilis Trustees. Buaih-
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walkers would have little say in its management, and the policy of that management may change over a pariod of time. Ho ojpoiled the motion strongly; we should not change our minde, but should persevere with the approach to the Minister fo:c. Lands.
Herb. 'Morris supported Myles, and was developing his argument along similar lines, when the gag was applied. The motion was put and lost.
In the brief ensuing business, Jo, and Herb, Yorrii were elected Federation Re-union camp delegates, and Athter. Gilroy as a Trustee for Garawarra Park.
Alan Wyborn read a resume of the meetings of the Forestry Advisory Council, but at about 10 p.m the lamps faced into sullen • smoky darkness, and the Bone was put into it et,pboa:c.d for another month.

ANNT.TAI, CONFERENCE OF THE FORESTRY ADVISORY COTTCrCIL.

At the fourth annual conference of the F.A.C., held on 10th
and 20th July, the second notion on the a8enda, moved by Alan Wyborn, was "That the support d the FA.C. be requested for the resumption of 350 acres of privately owned land between National Park and Garawarra Park, and its addition to Garawarra Park". The motion was carried.	Next on the list waN another S.B.T. motion - "That the support of the F.A.C. be sought for the resumption of Lots 14 and 15, Narrow Neck Peninsula as an area for public recreation and as a roadless area". This motion was also moved by Alan luborn and was agreed to, except that the roadless area Was questioned, aad it was decided that the F.A.C. should approach the Katoomba Council to discuss its p.dvisability.
Another motion of interest to aashwalkers was LThL‘t eters be taken (a) to inform the public of the enormous loose; both personal and national, caused by the present mthods of allowing fires to be used for clearing purpo5es00. and (b) to urge upon tha authorities the adoption of a procedure which will obviate such unjustifiable waste". This was also carried. Attention was also drawn to the damage done to forest litter and humus by slow autumn fLres.
Apart from -the motions inspired by the S.B,W, there was a resolution passed which stated that In view of the fact that our forests and bushlands are a vital moral and national asset, the Government be urged to set aside considerable areas free from all exploitation as national reserves, the said reserves to be closed sanctuarieL; for our unique flora and faur.a. That in view of the opening up of many forewted districts for timber aettng, the above resolution is one of particular urgenv". Sevez,e1 other specific projects were urged, including a sanctuary in the Delegate district a national Botanic Garden at Warrah Reserve, n. Natiol.al Park on the Blue Mountains and the reservation of the Hawkesbury River from Windsor to the seaboard.
Mr. R.F. Boyer, Chairman of the A.B.C., expressed some interesting and practical views in his address to the Conferenoe. He said "..... I speak, not as chairman of the Broadcasting Commission	but as one Who has lived almost ell his life in the West, as one of the army of graziers about whcm hard things have been said and who have in their lifetime destroyed a consf,derabl amount of timber. We should think twice before changing some of our finest beaties. One can get no greater thrill than to see untouched primitive beauty in its most glorious form. My greatest thrill when I first went to the far West was in entering courtry Lhat had never been occupied. An are of 150 square miles had never had an axe in it and was as God had left it0 I was at heart conservative - I hated to think of roads being run through it or stock being ple.ced upon it, of its being shapened by the hand of mane -1.e.,t I have learned, and all Who tackle the forotry problem mrt lefIrn, that radicalism and change must go hand in hand with coneervation The idea is not merely to retain tracts of land but the establishment of national parks so that those who come after 'as can ace what the country looked like before man put his hand to it.„... This is our country and we have muc,'h to learn about It. We must do more.in the preparation of tho land for the growth of food. We cannot agford to
keep large tracts of food land covered with timber,	mply because it is timber. It must be measured with the problem of the world's need of food. We have an international obligation in the production cf food that we must, at our peril, achieve. These matters,in good faith and good will, must he considered in their relation to the whole problem of conservation and reforestation. There is no greater pleasure to me, nothing more aesthetically appealing, than to be lost in a great forest midst all the primaeval beauty-that takes one back into the dim recesses.of the past. The first task of the soil and conservation experts in this country is to see that timber is retained in areas where it is of economic value and' productive of primaeval beauty for posterity....."
Mr. E. Caines Phillips, Convenor of the Marping ection of the River Canoe Club,advises that Map No 48,of ,;"'ne Bellinger River (Brinerville to Urunga - including Back Creek and a short section of the South Arm of the Belling'en) has now been comgleted and is available for perusal by those interested.

OUTDOOR FILMS OF AUSTRALIA._

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CLINTON VALLEY - NEW ZEALAND

by Laurie Raynor Winning photograph at our Annual Exhibition
The judge, Nr. Eade, described this photograph as excellently turned out and tec;hnf.cally faiLitless. The tonal quality was true without and the arrangement plain. There was a nice dark area in the front, while the mountains beyond and in the background gave LI three dimensional effect. The white patch of snow in the middle foreground
was a little toe obvious and might have been lowered in tone. The interest of the photograph centred on the mountain at the back
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